From: "John Zube" To: "Harry Henderson" References: <000401c24ac8$aa0f9de0$fad0e80c@attbi.com> Subject: 020824 Harry Henderson, on PAN, & values Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:52:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C24B75.7B532AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C24B75.7B532AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Harry, I wasn't expecting any active, e.g. financial or = labor help at this stage or even later. I am just one of those listed = and the one who promotes the listing until it has grown so fast and has = become so effective that it makes itself superfluous.=20 A declaration that you would be interested in buying one or several = libertarian CD-ROMs, once they appeared, would be enough to get listed.=20 Better still, you might want to get certain libertarian texts, that you = like, included. Then you could simply indicate their type and length.=20 Further and other involvement, if and when the listed people are = interested and have time at their disposal for this, would be up to = them. They would have to contact and organize each other for this.=20 I agree that even maximum economic liberty would not provide maximum = satisfactions in all spheres. Man is not only an economic or a political = being - and his priority values and commitments differ greatly.=20 Neither among the various libertarian nor among the anarchist ideals is = there a single one that would please all people. This is one of the reasons why I am primarily a panarchist, i.e., I = favour for each and everyone the governmental or non-governmental = society of his or her dreams, practised only among volunteers and and = their risk and expense only. Analogy: Although I am an atheist, I do favor religious liberty or = tolerance for all people, including believers in atheism, rationalism, = humanism, agnosticism, deism - and, naturally, all formal and express = religions. Which, naturally, excludes the burning, torturing or = oppression of dissenters. Most libertarians and anarchists have not yet considered that option and = thus have also diminished their chances to achieve the degrees of = liberty that they want for themselves - as fast and easily as possible, = not via confrontations but via tolerance, not by impositions but by free = experiments - free experiments even by and among their opponents, who = could, to that extent, become their allies: Minority and majority = autonomy for all. On that platform almost all the diverse minorities and majorities could = unite and come to peacefully coexist, whatever their highest values are. PIOT, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harry Henderson=20 To: 'John Zube'=20 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 3:15 AM Subject: RE: 020823 Harry Henderson, on values, re CD-ROM project John: Your project sounds quite interesting. Alas I have a very full = schedule for the next year or so and I can't really offer any help at = this time.=20 While I'm a libertarian, I think economic liberty and opportunity is = necessary but not sufficient for human health and happiness. To the = extent libertarianism has a shortcoming, it is the confusion of the = means (liberty) with the end (happiness). Liberty means that each of us = must decide for ourselves what "strong values" we'll have and espouse. = But for me they include more than just the economic or political ones. Regards Harry Henderson ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C24B75.7B532AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Harry,

&n= bsp; =20 I wasn't expecting any active, e.g. financial or labor help at this = stage=20 or even later. I am just one of those listed and the one who promotes = the=20 listing until it has grown so fast and has become so effective that it = makes=20 itself superfluous.

A declaration that you would be interested in buying one or several = libertarian CD-ROMs, once they appeared, would be enough to get listed. =

Better still, you might want to get certain libertarian texts, that = you=20 like, included. Then you could simply indicate their type and length. =

Further and other involvement, if and when the listed people are = interested=20 and have time at their disposal for this, would be up to them. They = would have=20 to contact and organize each other for this.

I agree that even maximum economic liberty would not provide = maximum=20 satisfactions in all spheres. Man is not only an economic or a political = being - and his priority values and commitments differ greatly. =

Neither among the various libertarian nor among the anarchist = ideals=20 is there a single one that would please all people.

This is one of the reasons why I am primarily a panarchist, i.e., I = favour=20 for each and everyone the governmental or non-governmental society of = his or her=20 dreams, practised only among volunteers and and their risk and expense=20 only.

Analogy: Although I am an atheist, I do favor religious liberty or=20 tolerance for all people, including believers in atheism, rationalism, = humanism,=20 agnosticism, deism - and, naturally, all formal and express religions. = Which,=20 naturally, excludes the burning, torturing or oppression of = dissenters.

Most libertarians and anarchists have not yet considered that = option and=20 thus have also diminished their chances to achieve the degrees of = liberty that=20 they want for themselves - as fast and easily as possible, not via=20 confrontations but via tolerance, not by impositions but by free = experiments -=20 free experiments even by and among their opponents, who could, to that = extent,=20 become their allies: Minority and majority autonomy for all.

On that platform almost all the diverse minorities and majorities = could=20 unite and come to peacefully coexist, whatever their highest values = are.

PIOT, John

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From:=20 Harry = Henderson
To: 'John Zube'

Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 = 3:15=20 AM

Subject: RE: 020823 Harry = Henderson, on=20 values, re CD-ROM project

John:

Your = project sounds=20 quite interesting. Alas I have a very full schedule for the next year = or so=20 and I can=92t really offer any help at this time.

While I=92m = a=20 libertarian, I think economic liberty and opportunity is necessary but = not=20 sufficient for human health and happiness. To the extent = libertarianism has a=20 shortcoming, it is the confusion of the means (liberty) with the end=20 (happiness). Liberty means that = each of=20 us must decide for ourselves what =93strong values=94 we=92ll have and = espouse. But=20 for me they include more than just the economic or political=20 ones.

Regards

Harry=20 Henderson

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