From: "John Zube" <jzube@acenet.com.au>
To: "Thomas H. Greco, Jr." <circ2@mindspring.com>
References: <002e01c30e97$45372bc0$1909bf3f@v4dq1>
Subject:  030430 Thomas H. Greco, Jr. RE Zander papers, unemployed-self-help research, can it be initiated? 
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:39:37 +1000
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Dear Thomas,=20
                         while I do appreciate your following up this =
contact and something fruitful might come out of it, when you merely =
used the words "trying to archive the writings...", you did, so to =
speak, and quite unintentionally, wave a red flag at a bull! All too =
many have perceived my literature list only as a bibliography and my =
microfiche collection merely as an archive. And very few have visited =
that "archive". Not many more have ordered something from it.

I see a great difference between establishing an archive, a special =
library, a museum, an exhibition for ideas in one place, that very few =
people might ever get around to see in their whole life, like me, e.g. =
with the Labadie Collection in Ann Arbor, and "publishing", even if only =
on demand, the full texts, as cheaply as possible, on alternative and =
affordable media. Making any text permanently available upon demand, =
very cheaply, by mail, partly by e-mail, is also a form of "publishing", =
however small the public is that is reached by these texts or even hears =
of their existence and however small the readiness of most people is to =
resort to reading books on microfiche, on floppy disks, online or on =
CD-ROM.

When one realistically compares even the sales of best-sellers in one =
language or in a few languages, with the whole world population, then =
one becomes aware that even such massively duplicated titles reached =
only a small fraction of the world population. Via resale of these =
copies they reached a few more, but they are all far from reaching all =
of their potential readers.=20
Thus my aim as a "publisher" was always rather: Making many texts =
available cheaply upon demand than trying to sell a few books, even my =
own books, in large edtions.=20
Moreover, I attempted and still try to indicated that everybody, using =
affordable and effcient as well as lasting enough alternative media, =
could publish not only a few books but dozens, to hundreds, so that book =
lovers, all over the world, could come to make the total offer of books =
complete and permanent - between them, if only they bothered to take up =
these options for those books which they like most.=20

Those who appreciate aspects of monetary freedom have not yet done that =
for their favourite titles.=20
And all too many of these text are still buried somewhere, inaccessible =
to those who would be interested in them.

It seems that I have still one German brochure of Dr. Walter Zander, of =
the thirties, also published by the German League of Savers =
(Sparerbund), called: "Der Kampf der Wertpapierbesitzer" (The Fight of =
the Owners of Securities), in which he argued against inflation, pointed =
out its cause and cure and also the promotion of  the central banking =
ideas by the Communist Manifesto.
But a cursory looke for this brochure did not reveal it. Maybe I have =
published it already in the previous batch of Beckerath lettes and =
papers. Maybe not. It does not appear listed in my main literature list. =


When I come across it again, hopefully, soon, I do intend to scan it it =
and to attempt an English translation, however flawed still and to offer =
both by e-mail.=20

That reminds me of a remark of Beckerath, namely, that debtors have =
often organised themselves to enforce their interests, even committing =
injustices like repudiating their debts
(made burdensome by the creditor's presumed right to demand gold or =
other cash, like scarce legal tender), while creditors, usually a =
minority, have never sufficiently organised themselves to represent =
their rights and interests. Never did a party or movement clearly and =
onsistently stand up for the rights of creditors.=20

At the same time, neither debtors nor creditors sufficiently cared about =
the means of payment and the value standard problem. If they had, many =
man-made disasters could have been avoided.=20

Often they are not even aware that they are creditors, like wage and =
salary recipients are, towards their employers. Thus they put up with =
inflations, which depreciate their fixed incomes. Trade unions like =
that, because it gives them more scope and popularity for their "wage =
struggles", their anti-industrial actions.=20

Hopefully, in the remaining papers of Zander there are still his various =
newspaper articles and perhaps even his notes to lectures on this =
particular subject.
Even if he had to leave much of his library behind when he fled from =
Germany to England, later, as something like an unofficial ambassador of =
Israel, an associate of the University of Jerusalem, he travelled much, =
e.g. in India, and may have gathered, again, copies of his previous =
output.=20

Alas, on one subject he and Ulrich von Beckerath never seemed to have =
sufficiently agreed.
In his later life Z. was under the impression that B. had neglected the =
community aspect, while, on the contrary, B. aimed to re-establish real =
communities, based on voluntary membership and almost unanimously =
supported constitutions and laws and jurisdictions - and monetary, =
economic and social experiments in accordance with the ideology of their =
members.=20
Compared with these the territorial, centralised and coercive =
communities are not really communities or nations but, rather, =
dictatorships, no matter how democratic or republican some of their =
formalities are and how liberal some of their features.=20

I had only one long talk with Z., when he was already about 90 and =
almost blind. I taped it and transcribed it but he asked me not to =
publish it.
Upon my request he did give me a number of references to literature that =
provides some detail on the Jewish autonomy tradition of the millet or =
djemma system, but, like most Jewish people, he saw it only as a small =
aspect (thus to be largely ignored) within the large picture of =
prevailing suppressions and prosecutions in most countries, most of the =
time, not as the germ or precedent for a better future, once the =
exterritorial autonomy system is quite voluntary and expanded into every =
sphere, everywhere, for voluntary communities.=20

Like other people think only in terms of forced and exclusive currency, =
so most people think only in terms of territorial and coercive and =
centralized political bodies and cannot sufficiently envision the =
monetary freedom alternatives. Not even Henry Meulen, the author of =
"Free Banking" could, as his correspondence with Ulrich von Beckerath =
demonstrates. Meulen, too, as the last letter exchange (in my =
possession) showed, did not comprehend the panarchistic freedom options.

I am now digitizing batch 16 of 20 of this correspondence, which is a =
treasure chest of good ideas and hints on the subject of monetary =
freedom, but deals also with quite a few other subjects, not only =
economic ones.=20

Is it possible to get the victims of monetary despotism to enlighten =
themselves, than trying to enlighten them?=20
In trying to answer this question you might ponder my following =
suggestion, an extract from batch 16:

PIOT, John
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D


                                                 16. X.  1952. Your =
letter of 13. cr., received today.
Dear Mr. Meulen,

today only a short confirmation of receipt. I hope to write an answer =
next week.

   Mathematical truths and facts observed in physics. What you say is =
right, but: If the little child has learnt from the wooden beads on a =
wire, that 7 beads plus 5 beads =3D 12 beads, it is at once firmly =
convinced, that 7 apples + 5 apples and 7 stars + 5 starts =3D 12 stars. =
The child is convinced without an experience that 7 + 5 =3D 12 applies =
to all things in the world, past world and future world. Where from does =
the child (and his teacher, too) take this absolute certainty? This =
certainty is not any less certain than the knowledge of the teacher: =
There are sensations, dreamt or "real", right or misleading, but =
sensations there are.=20
Obviously, this latter certainty is essentially different from the =
credit given by the child to its impression: The wooden bead is red.
   Before Kant nobody had asked the question which I ask here.
-----------------------------

Our society: Berliner Gesellschaft von 1952 zur Bekaempfung der Ursachen =
der Arbeitslosigkeit.       =20

   A Berlin editor offered us: The first 20 000 copies he will sell for =
1.30 one copy. If we order 100 000 copies, he will sell the booklet =
cheaper. No advance of the society is required.
   I was very much surprised that an editor hoped to sell 100 000 copies =
of our program; it seems the programs is considered as being attractive =
and interesting by the editor. But, nevertheless, I protested. The price =
is too high. The unemployed, pensioners, etc. cannot spend 1.30 for a =
booklet of 25 pages. 1/2 DM is the maximum price in this
case. I myself and the society decline any fee. If the editor will not =
be ready to give us at least 500 copies to be sold for 50 Pfennig (the =
copies in bookstores may be dearer) we duplicate the program ourselves =
by means of wax plates.=20

(J.Z.: I wish B. had accepted this publisher's proposal. He must have =
known his potential market better than B. did. Rightful and rational =
ideas on the subject, well explained, shone then by their almost =
complete absence. I know of a free market economist, Mark Tier, who, =
just after he finished his economics studies, wrote a brochure on =
inflation. B., like me, would not have agreed with all of his premises =
and conclusions on this subject, but he put forward his point of view, =
at last quite independently of the line of thought of his teachers at =
the university. Moreover, he was a good enough marketeer to get it =
published as an attractive little brochure and displayed and sold in =
Australian news-agencies (stationery and newspaper shops). I presume =
that it sold 100,000 copies, or even more, at a time when inflation =
rates were between 15 and 25 % annually in Australia, and that made a =
relative "killing" as an author. Not much later he became member of a =
financial consultancy and publishing service in Hong Kong. If B.'s =
Berlin programme, economically much more sound, had then and there =
appeared in a cheap enough edition, at 1.30 DM (after all, several =
unemployed might have shared the cost - and the copy and talked about it =
among themselves and with others, then he might have been able to change =
public opinion in Berlin, thereby Berlin's laws, thus could have got =
Berlin's mass unemployment abolished and, with the eyes of the world =
then upon Berlin and its crises, his program would have been widely =
adopted all over the world. He might have died a very famous man, as a =
result. Sometimes one can be too critical of an opportunity - and it =
passes by. On the other hand: When Australia had an unemployment rate of =
about 1 million people [officially admitted are still over 600,000 even =
today], I thought: Would it be possible to sell to each them a good =
program on cause and cure for unemployment, that would have induced them =
to vote only for candidates that would initiate and support the required =
law repeals? Would they be prepared to pay me $ 2.50 each, for such a =
booklet? Thus turning me into an instant millionaire? I came to doubt =
this very much. But then, on second thoughts, I pondered: If one could =
get, with the aid of Australian mass media, a self-help program =
published, which would require every one of the 1 million Australian =
unemployed to contribute $ 10 annually towards a prize competition, one =
on cause and cure of unemployment, and if half of that amount were spent =
on annual prizes, one of 1 million for the best proposal and lesser =
amounts for runners-up, altogether using up $ 5 millions, then the other =
5 millions could be used to collect, publish and discuss all proposals =
made, by unemployed and others, and to evaluate them systematically, =
with this being done by the unemployed themselves, selecting =
representatives for this purpose and rewarding them for their labours of =
this kind. To save much money, alternative media like microfiche, floppy =
disks and CD-ROMs could be used, also e-mail and websites, for those so =
connected. Thus a comprehensive collection of such ideas could have =
resulted and, sooner or later, the best ideas among all of them would =
have been brought to the foreground and become sufficiently known. It =
might have taken less than 10 years or even less than 5 years to achieve =
that. Pro and con input from every unemployed and every real or imagine =
expert should have been invited and the self-help aspect of this =
research effort should have been stressed. Combined purchasing power, as =
Beckerath often remarked, is one of the greatest forces in the world - =
and, nevertheless, still one of the least utilised forces. However, I =
saw no possibility for obtaining mass media support for such a proposal. =
I certainly could not run a door-knock appeal for this to every =
Australian household, or afford to mail out 1 million leaflets to each =
household containing an unemployed. In this self-organized, self-managed =
 and self-rewarding way, the Australian unemployed could have =
enlightened and convinced themselves by their own thinking, reading, =
discussions and writing, much better than an outsider could have done, =
even with the best programme, who would have "laid down the law for =
them", as a real or imagined authority, and who would more of less have =
talked or written down to them. Governments have often enough admitted =
that they do not really know how to abolish mass unemployment from one =
day or one week to another and voters would no longer believe them - or =
any expert, if they asserted that they knew how to do this. Let the =
unemployed discover the truths on this very important subject themselves =
and let them convince themselves, in a prize competition, one that would =
welcome, record and utilise input from any of them! Alas, even such a =
plan is hard to impossible to sell for an obscure and poor person in my =
position.  -  Need I say that inflation victims, practically all people, =
could and should be mobilised in the same way, to solve that problem, =
too? Also amenable to such self-help efforts would be the war and peace =
problem, that of the employer-employee relationship, that of monopolies, =
those of health, those of sound social insurance systems, those of =
converting compulsory taxes into voluntary contributions, those of ideal =
and tolerant societies of volunteers, etc. Imagine also the search for =
an ideal individual human rights declaration becoming so promoted by all =
who pretend that they are seriously interested in human rights. They =
could and should thus complete the survey human rights codes, that I =
tried to initiate, quite in vain, by publishing about 100 private human =
rights proposals that I offer in my microfiched PEACE PLANS 589 & 590. - =
J.Z., 30.4.03.)
----------------------
............

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Thomas H. Greco, Jr.=20
  To: Zander Johnny=20
  Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 7:09 AM
  Subject: your grandfather?


  Dear Johnny,
  I hope this finds you well and happy.
  You may recall our meeting a couple years ago in London. It was at a =
luncheon with John Papworth, Peter Etherden, and others associated with =
the Radical Consultation.

  I mentioned at the time my work on the money problem and the great =
respect I had for the work of one Walter Zander. You thought it might =
have been your grandfather who had the same name.

  I am working with a colleague in Australia who is trying to archive =
the writings of such clear thinkers as Walter Zander, and we are =
wondering if he might have left behind any additional valuable writings. =


  Do you know what might have happened to his papers after his death, or =
might others in your family know?
  We would very much like to have copies of any further writings of his =
having to do with money, banking, finance, economics, and freedom.
  Any help you might give us would be appreciated.

  Regards,
  Tom Greco

  Thomas H. Greco, Jr., Director
  Community Information Resource Center
  P.O. Box 42663, Tucson, AZ 85733 USA
  520-795-8930
  circ2@mindspring.com
  Consulting on community currencies and cashless exchange, local and =
regional development, and equitable finance.
  Our new website is at: http://circ2.home.mindspring.com.
  It contains an abundance of useful material on economic, social, and =
political transformation, including creative ideas about money, finance, =
community empowerment, and sustainable economics, plus the full text of =
my book, New Money for Healthy Communities.
  My latest book, "Money: Understanding and Creating Alternatives to =
Legal Tender," published by Chelsea Green, is now available. For =
details, see http://www.chelseagreen.com/Livelihood/Money.htm
  The excerpted, e-book version (in PDF format) can be found at: =
http://www.chelseagreen.com/Livelihood/MoneyEBook.htm.

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<DIV>Dear Thomas, </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
while I do appreciate your following up this contact and something =
fruitful=20
might come out of it, when you merely used the words "trying to archive =
the=20
writings...", you did, so to speak, and quite&nbsp;unintentionally, wave =
a red=20
flag at a bull! All too many have perceived my literature list only as a =

bibliography and my microfiche collection merely as an archive. And very =
few=20
have visited that "archive". Not many more have ordered something from =
it.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I see a great difference between establishing an archive, a special =

library, a museum, an exhibition for ideas in one place, that very few =
people=20
might ever get around to see in their whole life, like me, e.g. with the =
Labadie=20
Collection in Ann Arbor, and "publishing", even if only on demand, the =
full=20
texts, as cheaply as possible, on alternative and affordable media. =
Making any=20
text permanently available upon demand, very cheaply, by mail, partly by =
e-mail,=20
is also a form of "publishing", however small the public is that is =
reached by=20
these texts or even hears of their existence and however small the =
readiness of=20
most people is to resort to reading books on microfiche, on floppy =
disks, online=20
or on CD-ROM.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>When one realistically compares even the sales of best-sellers in =
one=20
language or in a few languages, with the whole world population, then =
one=20
becomes aware that even such massively duplicated titles reached only a =
small=20
fraction of the world population. Via resale of these copies they =
reached a few=20
more, but they are all far from reaching all of their potential readers. =
</DIV>
<DIV>Thus my aim as a "publisher" was always rather: Making many texts =
available=20
cheaply upon demand than trying to sell a few books, even my own books, =
in large=20
edtions. </DIV>
<DIV>Moreover, I attempted and still try to indicated that everybody, =
using=20
affordable and effcient as well as lasting enough alternative media, =
could=20
publish not only a few books but dozens, to hundreds, so that book =
lovers, all=20
over the world, could come to make the total offer of books complete and =

permanent - between them, if only they bothered to take up these options =
for=20
those books which they like most. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Those who appreciate aspects of monetary freedom have not yet done =
that for=20
their favourite titles. </DIV>
<DIV>And all too many of these text are still buried somewhere, =
inaccessible to=20
those who would be interested in them.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It seems that I have still one German brochure of Dr. Walter =
Zander, of the=20
thirties, also published by the German League of Savers (Sparerbund), =
called:=20
"Der Kampf der Wertpapierbesitzer" (The Fight of the Owners of =
Securities), in=20
which he argued against inflation, pointed out its cause and cure and=20
also&nbsp;the promotion of &nbsp;the central banking ideas&nbsp;by the =
Communist=20
Manifesto.</DIV>
<DIV>But a cursory looke for this brochure did not reveal it. Maybe I =
have=20
published it already in the previous batch of Beckerath lettes and =
papers. Maybe=20
not. It does not appear listed in my main literature list. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>When I come across it again, hopefully, soon, I do intend to scan =
it it and=20
to attempt an English translation, however flawed still and to offer =
both by=20
e-mail. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>That reminds me of a remark of Beckerath, namely, that debtors have =
often=20
organised themselves to enforce their interests, even committing =
injustices like=20
repudiating their debts</DIV>
<DIV>(made burdensome by the creditor's presumed right to demand gold or =
other=20
cash, like scarce legal tender), while creditors, usually a minority, =
have never=20
sufficiently organised themselves to represent their rights and =
interests. Never=20
did a party or movement clearly and onsistently&nbsp;stand up for the =
rights of=20
creditors. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>At the same time, neither debtors nor creditors sufficiently cared =
about=20
the means of payment and the value standard problem. If they had, many =
man-made=20
disasters could have been avoided. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Often they are not even aware that they are creditors, like wage =
and salary=20
recipients are, towards their employers. Thus they put up with =
inflations, which=20
depreciate their fixed incomes. Trade unions like that, because it gives =
them=20
more scope and popularity for their "wage struggles", their =
anti-industrial=20
actions. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hopefully, in the remaining papers of Zander there are still his =
various=20
newspaper articles and perhaps even his notes to lectures on this =
particular=20
subject.</DIV>
<DIV>Even if he had to leave much of his library behind when he fled =
from=20
Germany to England, later, as something like an unofficial ambassador of =
Israel,=20
an associate of the University of Jerusalem, he travelled much, e.g. in =
India,=20
and may have gathered, again,&nbsp;copies of his previous output. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Alas, on one subject he and Ulrich von Beckerath never seemed to =
have=20
sufficiently agreed.</DIV>
<DIV>In his later life Z. was under the impression that B. had neglected =
the=20
community aspect, while, on the contrary, B. aimed to re-establish real=20
communities, based on voluntary membership and almost unanimously =
supported=20
constitutions and laws and jurisdictions - and monetary, economic and =
social=20
experiments in accordance with the ideology of their members. </DIV>
<DIV>Compared with these the territorial, centralised and coercive =
communities=20
are not really communities or nations but, rather, dictatorships, no =
matter how=20
democratic or republican some of their formalities are and how liberal =
some of=20
their features. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I had only one long talk with Z., when he was already about 90 and =
almost=20
blind. I taped it and transcribed it but he asked me not to publish =
it.</DIV>
<DIV>Upon my request he did give me a number of references to literature =
that=20
provides some detail on the Jewish autonomy tradition of the millet or =
djemma=20
system, but, like most Jewish people, he saw it only as a =
small&nbsp;aspect=20
(thus to be largely ignored)&nbsp;within the large picture of prevailing =

suppressions and prosecutions in most countries, most of the time, not =
as the=20
germ or precedent for a better future, once the exterritorial autonomy =
system is=20
quite voluntary and expanded into every sphere, everywhere, for =
voluntary=20
communities. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Like other people think only in terms of forced and exclusive =
currency, so=20
most people think only in terms of territorial and coercive and =
centralized=20
political bodies and cannot sufficiently envision the&nbsp;monetary=20
freedom&nbsp;alternatives. Not even Henry Meulen, the author of "Free =
Banking"=20
could, as his correspondence with Ulrich von Beckerath demonstrates. =
Meulen,=20
too, as the last letter exchange (in my possession) showed, did not =
comprehend=20
the panarchistic freedom options.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am now digitizing batch 16 of 20 of this correspondence, which is =
a=20
treasure chest of good ideas and hints on the subject of monetary =
freedom, but=20
deals also with quite a few other subjects, not only economic ones. =
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Is it possible to get the victims of monetary despotism to =
enlighten=20
themselves, than trying to enlighten them? </DIV>
<DIV>In trying to answer this question you might ponder my following =
suggestion,=20
an extract from batch 16:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>PIOT, John</DIV>
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V>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;=20
16. X.&nbsp; 1952. Your letter of 13. cr., received today.<BR>Dear Mr.=20
Meulen,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>today only a short confirmation of receipt. I hope to write an =
answer next=20
week.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; Mathematical truths and facts observed in physics. =
What you=20
say is right, but: If the little child has learnt from the wooden beads =
on a=20
wire, that 7 beads plus 5 beads =3D 12 beads, it is at once firmly =
convinced, that=20
7 apples + 5 apples and 7 stars + 5 starts =3D 12 stars. The child is =
convinced=20
without an experience that 7 + 5 =3D 12 applies to all things in the =
world, past=20
world and future world. Where from does the child (and his teacher, too) =
take=20
this absolute certainty? This certainty is not any less certain than the =

knowledge of the teacher: There are sensations, dreamt or "real", right =
or=20
misleading, but sensations there are. <BR>Obviously, this latter =
certainty is=20
essentially different from the credit given by the child to its =
impression: The=20
wooden bead is red.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Before Kant nobody had asked the =
question=20
which I ask here.<BR>-----------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Our society: Berliner Gesellschaft von 1952 zur Bekaempfung der =
Ursachen=20
der Arbeitslosigkeit.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; A Berlin editor offered us: The first 20 000 copies he =
will=20
sell for 1.30 one copy. If we order 100 000 copies, he will sell the =
booklet=20
cheaper. No advance of the society is required.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I =
was very=20
much surprised that an editor hoped to sell 100 000 copies of our =
program; it=20
seems the programs is considered as being attractive and interesting by =
the=20
editor. But, nevertheless, I protested. The price is too high. The =
unemployed,=20
pensioners, etc. cannot spend 1.30 for a booklet of 25 pages. 1/2 DM is =
the=20
maximum price in this<BR>case. I myself and the society decline any fee. =
If the=20
editor will not be ready to give us at least 500 copies to be sold for =
50=20
Pfennig (the copies in bookstores may be dearer) we duplicate the =
program=20
ourselves by means of wax plates. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>(J.Z.: I wish B. had accepted this publisher's proposal. He must =
have known=20
his potential market better than B. did. Rightful and rational ideas on =
the=20
subject, well explained, shone then by their almost complete absence. I =
know of=20
a free market economist, Mark Tier, who, just after he finished his =
economics=20
studies, wrote a brochure on inflation. B., like me, would not have =
agreed with=20
all of his premises and conclusions on this subject, but he put forward =
his=20
point of view, at last quite independently of the line of thought of his =

teachers at the university. Moreover, he was a good enough marketeer to =
get it=20
published as an attractive little brochure and displayed and sold in =
Australian=20
news-agencies (stationery and newspaper shops). I presume that it sold =
100,000=20
copies, or even more, at a time when inflation rates were between =
15&nbsp;and 25=20
% annually in Australia, and that made a relative "killing" as an =
author. Not=20
much later he became member of a financial consultancy and publishing =
service in=20
Hong Kong. If B.'s Berlin programme, economically much more sound, had =
then and=20
there appeared in a cheap enough edition, at 1.30 DM (after all, several =

unemployed might have shared the cost - and the copy and talked about it =
among=20
themselves and with others, then he might have been able to change =
public=20
opinion in Berlin, thereby Berlin's laws, thus could have got Berlin's =
mass=20
unemployment abolished and, with the eyes of the world then upon Berlin =
and its=20
crises, his program would have been widely adopted all over the world. =
He might=20
have died a very famous man, as a result. Sometimes one can be too =
critical of=20
an opportunity - and it passes by. On the other hand: When Australia had =
an=20
unemployment rate of about 1 million people [officially admitted are =
still over=20
600,000 even today], I thought: Would it be possible to sell to each =
them a good=20
program on cause and cure for unemployment, that would have induced them =
to vote=20
only for candidates that would initiate and support the required law =
repeals?=20
Would they be prepared to pay me $ 2.50 each, for such a booklet? Thus =
turning=20
me into an instant millionaire? I came to doubt this very much. But =
then, on=20
second thoughts, I pondered: If one could get, with the aid of =
Australian mass=20
media, a self-help program published, which would require every one of =
the 1=20
million Australian unemployed to contribute $ 10 annually towards a =
prize=20
competition, one on cause and cure of unemployment, and if half of that =
amount=20
were spent on annual prizes, one of 1 million for the best proposal and =
lesser=20
amounts for runners-up, altogether using up $ 5 millions, then the other =
5=20
millions could be used to collect, publish and discuss all proposals =
made, by=20
unemployed and others, and to evaluate them systematically, with this =
being done=20
by the unemployed themselves, selecting representatives for this purpose =
and=20
rewarding them for their labours of this kind. To save much money, =
alternative=20
media like microfiche, floppy disks and CD-ROMs could be used, also =
e-mail and=20
websites, for those so connected. Thus a comprehensive collection of =
such ideas=20
could have resulted and, sooner or later, the best ideas among all of =
them would=20
have been brought to the foreground and become sufficiently known. It =
might have=20
taken less than 10 years or even less than 5 years to achieve that. Pro =
and con=20
input from every unemployed and every real or imagine expert should have =
been=20
invited and the self-help aspect of this research effort should have =
been=20
stressed. Combined purchasing power, as Beckerath often remarked, is one =
of the=20
greatest forces in the world - and, nevertheless, still one of the least =

utilised forces. However, I saw no possibility for obtaining mass media =
support=20
for such a proposal. I certainly could not run a door-knock appeal for =
this to=20
every Australian household, or afford to mail out 1 million leaflets to =
each=20
household containing an unemployed. In this self-organized, =
self-managed&nbsp;=20
and self-rewarding way, the Australian unemployed could have enlightened =
and=20
convinced themselves by their own thinking, reading, discussions and =
writing,=20
much better than an outsider could have done, even with the best =
programme, who=20
would have "laid down the law for them", as a real or imagined =
authority, and=20
who would more of less have talked or written down to them. Governments =
have=20
often enough admitted that they do not really know how to abolish mass=20
unemployment from one day or one week to another and voters would no =
longer=20
believe them - or any expert, if they asserted that they knew how to do =
this.=20
Let the unemployed discover the truths on this very important subject =
themselves=20
and let them convince themselves, in a prize competition, one that would =

welcome, record and utilise input from any of them! Alas, even such a =
plan is=20
hard to impossible to sell for an obscure and poor person in my =
position.&nbsp;=20
-&nbsp; Need I say that inflation victims, practically all people, could =
and=20
should be mobilised in the same way, to solve that problem, too? Also =
amenable=20
to such self-help efforts would be the war and peace problem, that of =
the=20
employer-employee relationship, that of monopolies, those of health, =
those of=20
sound social insurance systems, those of converting compulsory taxes =
into=20
voluntary contributions, those of ideal and tolerant societies of =
volunteers,=20
etc. Imagine also the search for an ideal individual human rights =
declaration=20
becoming so promoted by all who pretend that they are seriously =
interested in=20
human rights. They could and should thus complete the survey human =
rights codes,=20
that I tried to initiate, quite in vain, by publishing about 100 private =
human=20
rights proposals that I offer in my microfiched PEACE PLANS 589 &amp; =
590. -=20
J.Z., 30.4.03.)<BR>----------------------<BR>............</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV><B></B>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dcirc2@mindspring.com=20
href=3D"mailto:circ2@mindspring.com">Thomas H. Greco, Jr.</A> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djzander@kzpartnership.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:jzander@kzpartnership.com">Zander Johnny</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 30, 2003 =
7:09=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> your =
grandfather?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Johnny,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I hope this finds you well and =
happy.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>You may recall our meeting a couple years ago =
in London.=20
  It was at a luncheon with John Papworth, Peter Etherden, and others =
associated=20
  with the Radical Consultation.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I mentioned at the time my work on the money =
problem and=20
  the great respect I had for the work of one Walter Zander. You thought =
it=20
  might have been your grandfather who had the same name.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am working with a colleague in Australia who =
is trying=20
  to archive the writings of such clear thinkers as Walter Zander, and =
we are=20
  wondering if he might have left behind any additional valuable =
writings.=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Do you know what might have happened to his =
papers after=20
  his death, or might others in your family know?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>We would very much like to have copies of any =
further=20
  writings of his having to do with money, banking, finance, economics, =
and=20
  freedom.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Any help you might give us would be=20
  appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Tom Greco</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thomas H. Greco, Jr., =
Director<BR>Community=20
  Information Resource Center<BR>P.O. Box 42663, Tucson, AZ 85733=20
  USA<BR>520-795-8930<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:circ2@mindspring.com">circ2@mindspring.com</A><BR>Consulti=
ng on=20
  community currencies and cashless exchange, local and regional =
development,=20
  and equitable finance.<BR>Our new website is at: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://circ2.home.mindspring.com">http://circ2.home.mindspring.co=
m</A>.<BR>It=20
  contains an abundance of useful material on economic, social, and =
political=20
  transformation, including creative ideas about money, finance, =
community=20
  empowerment, and sustainable economics, plus the full text of my book, =
New=20
  Money for Healthy Communities.<BR>My latest book, "Money: =
Understanding and=20
  Creating Alternatives to Legal Tender," published by Chelsea Green, is =
now=20
  available. For details, see <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.chelseagreen.com/Livelihood/Money.htm">http://www.chel=
seagreen.com/Livelihood/Money.htm</A><BR>The=20
  excerpted, e-book version (in PDF format) can be found at: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.chelseagreen.com/Livelihood/MoneyEBook.htm">http://www=
.chelseagreen.com/Livelihood/MoneyEBook.htm</A>.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE=
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